We are so complex. I was thinking to myself, where the voice inside comes from?
I know it's me. Sometimes it sounds older, sometimes younger, sometimes smarter, but it's like a trickster.
Sometimes I've heard it sound like a million tiny voices. Is that an echo? Distortion?
I've spent some time researching parasitic infections but it doesn't seem like that. Is there a greater force at work?
Do the gods and demons literally battle within us at the micro level?
Are the stories from the past all reflections of parasites vs...?
Whatever we are?
Are we just a cover, a machine, a weapon, a shield? Or are we the thing(s) inside, controlling this flesh?
Do we change from evil to good by the nature of what we host as a collective mind?
Do our actions demonstrate the balance of microbes about us?
When you have a conversation within yourself but with another person, is that telepathy?
Is telepathy microbial communication via their own network?
When you get a bad feeling in the pit of your stomach, is that because they feel threatened?
Do you crave what they crave?
Do the feelings of excitement and joy come from them?
Is laughter contagious because of microbial excitement or some form of communication?
Same with goosebumps?
I could go on but just some things they made me do :P
We have exorcised the demons!
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> ...where the voice inside comes from?
If we assume that we are a bundle of sensations, the voice appears to be whatever thought is being passed into the mind of the individual. Thoughts have forms and of course, they also have voices, you briefly become attuned to these thoughts to understand their meaning--- it's an odd type of communion. Different thoughts point the individual at different goals some are malevolent others are benevolent, so it is in a way, a battle of demons and angels if you want to interpret things like that. The catch is that, even if you talk with demons or angels, their voices do not appear different from yours because they ultimately aren't. You are in actuality, exploring your mind from the inside out and whatever you perceive is still a manifestation of your unconscious workings. Since you are an explorer, whatever you perceive, you also give your own unique commentary to, reflective of your own experiences.
>Are we just a cover, a machine, a weapon, a shield? Or are we the thing(s) inside, controlling this flesh?
We don't cover anything, we are whatever we are and we are wherever we are in the moment, right now im in my fingers and I pause to search up the right words to formulate that I'm a neuronal activation inside my brain, however, this never ceases to be a theatre of the higher realms... At different moments in time, I was different things and in time i will be different things, but I believe there will be a point where I will be that which is, without any dependence or need to be 'inside' the universe. Imagine it like a reflex, i see 'x' and do 'y' as a reaction , so my reaction relies completely upon the perception of 'x'... what if I didn't even have perception? Then neither 'x' nor 'y' could arise... At the realization of emptiness, when awareness has been observed and perception sees itself, perception itself vanishes and the individual perceives without the latest filters placed by the primordial Ego.
You were never in control of this flesh, this story of your life flows all on its own. You are living it because you needed to be produce specific thoughts and ideas that will be picked up by someone else and so on just like these thoughts are being picked up by you right now, just like I picked up these thoughts as I'm typing. Everything is co-dependently arising and passing in order to manifest the true nature of this reality. I should say something now, in greek the devil is called 'διάβολος' which means 'the one who postpones', your free will lies in choosing your reaction to the events in your life, choose a reaction that reflects the real nature of reality to move on... choose love, otherwise these loops in your timeline will persist.
>Do we change from evil to good by the nature of what we host as a collective mind?
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>Do our actions demonstrate the balance of microbes about us?
Yes to a degree, but the very choices that will promote specific strands of microbes are all engineered by our past experiences and stressors upon the time of decision.
>When you have a conversation within yourself but with another person, is that telepathy?
To a higher realm, yes it is telepathy. But in order to attain conscious access to that high level where their thoughts flow naturally into you in the form of a conversation, you need emotional connection. I noticed a greater surge of energy flowing through me when I cuddle or when im with people who appreciate me... this energy allows a stream of thoughts and impressions to be received by the physical me.
>Is telepathy microbial communication via their own network?
I don't know about that, but if you're talking about microcosmic organization of living matter in a manner that mirrors unity/collective consciousness... then I would highly reccomend this short video. There's indeed resonance programming by the smaller consciousnesses seen in ants/murmuration and so on... I believe they're all a manifestation between 'group' and 'secular' consciousness modes of operation problem is that the fields that make group interconnectivity possible haven't been discovered, yet biology still accesses them... Humans try to achieve resonance and unity seen in the referenced video by matching feet in parades, musical instrument tonality, matching heartbeats to loved ones and to the rhythm and so on... Some cults do try to cultivate this as well. Oh and the fear of the 'different' may be a reaction to a deviation from mutual mind resonance... because we're all the same beingness I assume.
>When you get a bad feeling in the pit of your stomach, is that because they feel threatened?
Metaphysically, you 'contract' your aura and turn it into blackness and it grows in size by tapping into your belly, so it's a means to prepare for conflict and brace for pain. Physically, it's usually a sign of activating fight-or-flight response//metabolism is halted and glucose runs through your veins for immediate utilization by your muscles. Feelings in the belly can mean a lot of things though, I'd say get to know the situation and get to know yourself.
>Do the feelings of excitement and joy come from them?
Oh these are just qualia produced by chemicals. I'd say that joy and excitment relies completely upon perception of 'exciting and joyous' things', of course this is entirely subjective. But, with enough self-love, everything can appear as joyous and exciting...
>Is laughter contagious because of microbial excitement or some form of communication?
I don't think laughter is contagious. My sense of humour is too different from my family's, most of the time, my friends laugh at things I don't consider funny, so laughter is not truly contagious... much like the previous answer, it depends upon the conditions of the audience. You need to relate to the content of a joke in order for it to fly; this is why poop jokes will never be out of fashion. I studied humour a bit and different cultures find different things funny depending on the lessons the populations need to undergo, British humour has a lot of play around wit and embarassment, meanwhile Greek humour is somewhat crude and such... Many comedians speak of stereotypes and common things from their own everyday lives, hell, even common sense stuff you know? That's how you connect to the audience, if you are an artist, an orator, a cam-model... you expose themselves to themselves.
I haven't exorcised anything, I don't even know if that's possible (It's probably just the restoration of the focal points' more native thought-processes). If I'm indulging, I'm straight up possessed by the thoughts that to me-resemble demons. I just saw what they offered, tasted it over and over and was satiated both by their fruits and the digestion of those fruits. I just got bored and carried the indulgence into its natural conclusion. If you make indulgence a habit, then you also make boredom of indulgences a habit so that accelerates anhedonia and once you get into the anhedonia territory, it's time to play.
Bioelectricity! Thanks for that TED talk. Regenerative medicine is very intriguing.
Sorry, I am finding it difficult to describe what I've been seeing, but that quote above might sum up the entire post if I can just expand on this vision that continues to form in my mind.
It has to do with collective intelligence but I can see myself as everything. It obviously goes beyond bacteria and parasites into other forms of energy. But, I felt as though all of my life has been controlled by these billions of microscopic things. Everything. The whole experience. The sound of my thoughts. The decisions I make. The people that come into my life. The things that happen to me.
It makes me believe they are microconductors controlled by something greater. What is it?
On the microbiome and immune system...
Since the enteric nervous system (ENS) has been called the second brain, and governs the most populated area for microbial life in the body (cecum), how much of a say do they get in our life?
In some interpretations, parasites appear to be evil, such as vampires and the like. They always seem like these poor little creatures that hide out in deep pockets and only sometimes become a slight nuisance. Overall, they are a small minority and have no power over this realm. They can sure scare us though.
If we rid our body of parasites, do "evil" tendencies go away with them? As we continue to develop natural immunity and resistance to disease, do we become more "good"?
All of the living things about us which we host create our collective mind. It all influences how we think and express ourselves. We also become parts of what we experience around us, as you mentioned... pulling in thoughts and feelings then letting them go.
I guess another way to put it, I am seeing the microorganisms as the real intelligence here and we are just along for the ride. Many of them are immortal as far as I understand, and they just sort of dance and swing through us, other animals, plants, all life... and basically put on a show.
But are they just minions transmitting higher intelligence? Is there a battle waging at a higher level, with microbes being used to use us for different reasons? We're just caught in the middle trying to figure out what the hell is going on.
I just remembered another example that I forgot to mention.
Some people communicate with spirit guides, angels, deceased, etc. I've had what I believe to be several encounters with them myself.
My current interpretation is that all of those things are just being projected into our minds by our microscopic selves. My reasoning is that there has to be something physically within us to create that. Just as we need to be here on Earth to create things, microbes assemble and maintain us. They also seem to govern what we think we experience.
>Bioelectricity! Thanks for that TED talk. Regenerative medicine is very intriguing.
I referenced it so I can introduce you to the idea of an intelligence that maintains its integrity despite being divided physically.
>But, I felt as though all of my life has been controlled by these billions of microscopic things. Everything. The whole experience.
First things first, I saw this post in a dream and was representing the perspective of various totemic spirits that became enamoured with you through you past lives as an Indo European shaman. Most people who had past lives as witches/shamans/doctors maintain their fascination with ingesting the 'right' things for good health.
You describe your life with a microcosmic 'external locus of control' and that is right because internal/external dualities collapse after some point. But ultimately does it matter what 'gives' you the push to be whoever you need to be? I insert causality into the world by summing up my experiences with similar subjects and end up with a conclusive reaction. So do you, we differ only in content of experience. Why do you demonize microbes holding them accountable for your identity? Ultimately, it was your actions that bred them, see beyond your actions and the clockwork of causality: you are not the physical body. In fact, the physical body is an analogy for your higher selves. Let's interpret the gut from a higher perspective then, shall we?
But,before all that, I want you to know that you are not your higher selves, nor your body, it's all just sensations solidifying wherever you lay your attention. You are not your sensations...you're not even the one, who sees them. Anyway, any malevolent entity you identify is something that exists inside your Mind between the strata of noetical and astral worlds; as thought and as an emotion; Malevolence is interpretted as thoughts and emotions that will keep you here longer, don't hate the players, don't even hate the game. You are both angels and demons. All of them are your own unconscious manifestations as seemingly separate entities.
In your thought-process, I can replace the mentions of 'microbes' with 'guides'--daemons. They impress your mind with the capacity to interpret the environment as good or bad, so in a way, you ingest your world and specific microbes help you digest it, some microbes allow for an ample digestion while others do not. The way you intepret the world however, is entirely reliant upon how your daemons whisper into you. Thus a microbe is seen as entangled with a daemon and when you give power to either one, you reinforce that particular entity's role in the digestion of your perceptual experience, you allow that microbe strand to multiply and therefore, your behaviours will be a little more endemic to employing that daemon/microbe in the future--solidifying its influences in life. Ultimately, it doesn't matter if you attribute the causers of internal thought and external action as microbes or daemons, because both reinforce a behavior with a specific end-goal. My actions, my microbes, my daemons thus, are just the conditions of access to specific thoughts from the global unconscious that my past actions have led me to seek out in order so I can be whoever my future needs me to be.
To say things in a more metaphysical manner though: the solar plexus is where all energy is drawn for immediate utilization by my thought-form creative faculties. Essentially, energy, seen as the impetus to act on behalf of specific purposes manifests itself as a full thought-formic entity (inhabiting the noetical world) with an only purpose to draw enough energy to be able to manifest in my life physically. My thought-forms tower around me and I can receive the title of authorship, however, I'm but a mediator for the original energy. Seek out plasma physics to understand the de-cluttering effect-- transmutative effect of consciousness into the 'denser' regions of subtle matter. You erroneously believe that you only draw energy from food, meanwhile, you draw energy from anything in this reality, everywhere your awareness lays, be it your keyboard, these letters, these words, you will inevitably drag forward all the thoughtforms associated with the object of perception--as it were seen by various others who deposited their own thoughtforms on the subject. The truer question is, will you haunt the objects of perception with your thoughtforms or will you set them free? The gut is but an analogy of your own energetic transmutation, the actions you do propell you to act in a way that make you a much stronger conduit, that is all. Microbes by themselves are not grandiose, it is the idea that they represent that seeks respect.
In this line of thought, your gut is entangled with higher or lower entities which represent your capability of transmuting evil into good... I think that's it. Alchemy plays by this understanding, so your observations are spot-on and correct. Getting rid of certain microbes may indeed help your mind be less biased in choosing its actions and ultimately, they say nirvana is the enlightenment of the gut. I think the belly needs to be full, a true-detox can only come when you deeply get bored of the fruits of action.
I will chime in, just a little addition to your paradigm.
Always remember - this world is a mere reflection, a shadow of the higher spheres, nothing originates here, as there is no here.
So when you say I feel this and that in my stomach, or I think these thoughts in my brain - no.
These sensations appear to come from here, but they are only mirrored here from an energetical overlay.
A very good metaphor for this would be a television. You turn it on and see pictures, and if you took it apart, you would indeed find components that you could examine, and if the tv was on and you tried measuring and perceiving what is happening inside these components, you would indeed find out that these components are what is making these pictures appear on the screen. It would be really naive to look for the movie actors inside the little box though, wouldnt it?
Thats the way humans think about brains, they can measure it, they know how ideas and sensations propagate themselves through the tissues of it, but to stipulate that the brain itself is anything else than a receiver is a misconception.
This is a very well put together video of how you can try and imagine how what we perceive to be here is a shadow of something more complex and subtle - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJi3_znm7ZE&t=1s
And finally - demons and angels - they are you, and just like you, they are not real.
We all have purpose within the narrative though, so next time you feel in your mind a presence of something evil, an influence steering you towards a toxic expression of yourself, an expression that is not absolute and unconditional love and truth, realise that it is really a part of you that you stopped turning your blind eye to. Ask yourself in your heart what this evil represents and what is it trying to show you. Usually if not every time, it is a lie you tell yourself, an illusion that you use to cover your eyes with and pretend you dont see. The demons and angels of your mind, they are there to help you realise your true nature and they are vigilant and never sleep, always scheming behind the scenes to make you see. Both ends are important, because believe it or not, they work hand in hand to help you become the truest expression of the mind that appears to be you.
Thanks guys, all of that helped.
I still cannot shake this feeling that I am them. I am no longer who I thought I was. It just keeps getting stronger.
I should note that what I feel is not malevolent but very loving and healing. Anything that did feel bad is long gone.
For the longest time in my life I've had a natural tendency to say "we" instead of "I" in many cases. Not in an extreme way like Gollum, but I believe this is them speaking through me. When I think about them I picture the seven dwarfs so I guess they're more like worker bees or drones that just transmit energy, as we do. Intelligence flows through them and they just react to it.
It also makes me think about how natural beings grow and repair themselves. "Where does new skin come from?", for example. How does it know where and when it needs to grow?
Anyway, just a strange experience and I thought I would share. Too much pondering lately, we have work to do. Heigh-ho!
"For the longest time in my life I've had a natural tendency to say "we" instead of "I" in many cases."
So did I, this is emblematic of splitting the self into subselves. You may have sustained a form of trauma/parental neglect and so on and this caused you to dissasemble the self into constituent parts. I found out about this today, try looking into 'parts' therapy/inner family therapy
My parents neglected me and dismissed my opinions so I developed hyperintelligence as a coping mechanism so I would always have something interesting to say and I would be worthy of listening to. Needless to say, this has not brought me sanity or happiness. I don't know what to do with myself, i suffer without knowing why. A part of me wants me to stop trying to get into medicine and doesn't know what I should be doing for a profession and oof I'm disfunctional with so many parts of reality and I don't know where and when I went wrong... neither am I aware of how to go about fixing them. I spent a lot of years of my life having nowhere to stand on and being alone. My inner selves feel that I'm looking for reconciliation, now that all the danger has subsided, I bet they'll come during meditation.
If you think life is easy, it really isn't... at least for me. Suffering unites and breeds compassion, I rest in knowing that I will eventually would have suffered enough to feel compassion towards myself.
I can relate to the feeling of my life being broken beyond repair. It almost seems impossible to overcome. However, I do feel myself charging forward and old baggage just falling off, eventually, as I put it outside of my mind. I've reached a point in my life where I feel like I have no time left for stagnation. A force that's been brewing within for 36 years is about to rocket forth.
My parents were fairly nurturing but I have felt alone throughout most of my life. I was picked on every year in school because I rarely talked. I never really understood most people. The world seemed so harmonious and I was always left out. In my own weird way, I included myself mentally in a lot of things but was always afraid to act it out. Oh, how things have changed out there, anyway. I don't really want to be part of it, at least the old world.
Then again, I have a family to raise so I will continue to live my life split in those different worlds for some time. A blessing for me as it will improve my life dramatically while I need to be here. I don't believe I would have cared enough to stick around if it wasn't for them. They give me a reason to own leadership and "do it for the kids".
Ultimately, I don't matter much to myself. I'm here for everyone but me. In order to be good at that I have to take care of myself though, and I have to put myself out there in the world, as much as I hate it. I'm just here to do a job, more or less. Maybe I'll start liking people again one day.
The subselves link looks pretty interesting, I'll have to spend more time reading through all of the pages.
We're awesome human beings,can you only see it?